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    Posted: 13 Feb 2006 at 3:37pm

I know it probably doesn't matter all that much.  But which one is mostly prefered & why?  Relaxers with lye or without lye? I've used both actually, but it seems like salons use lye more. 

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bullet Posted: 13 Feb 2006 at 7:44pm
The thing is...i cant find lye relaxers anywhere. I ended up buying a no-lye relaxer AGAIN today. I hear good things about lye relaxers.
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bullet Posted: 13 Feb 2006 at 11:34pm

The ar relaxers, the ones that don't come in a box are mostly lye relaxers.  You have to buy the neutralizing shampoo seperately.  I've used QP Elasta Lye relaxer for 5 years.  The QP rep told me Lye relaxers are for professional use but of course we all know anybody can purchase them.  She said if your hair is really damaged to use a relaxer with no-lye, it contains calcium, & is less harsh to the hair.  Lye relaxers are good, but they are stronger because they have sodium hydroxide.  Professionals still may use lye relaxers on damaged hair, & hair is still repaired without a problem.  But in my case since I do my perms myself, I'll just switch to QP no-lye until my hair is strong again, who knows maybe I'll stick with no-lye afterwards or maybe not.  I've tried QP no-lye relaxer is the past & results were still the same.



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bullet Posted: 14 Feb 2006 at 9:37am

my hairdresser told me that lye relaxers are the ones that come straight out of the bottle and r better for your hair...

whereas no-lye relaxers you have to mix together with I think a powder...

and your not suppose to switch them back and forth...

                                        

 

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bullet Posted: 14 Feb 2006 at 11:05am

I heard that too Natalie Nicole, sounds like a famous name girl.... lol  You gonna make it big one day. :-) I conclude that both types just require care & it depends on your hair.

I got his from Black Mississipi website

I frequent online hair boards. Women on these hair boards claim they have experienced hair breakage due to using No Lye relaxers. Most of them prefer using Lye relaxers. What's the difference, and is it true that No Lye relaxers can cause more breakage?

Briefly, the difference between Lye and No Lye relaxers is that Lye relaxers are made with sodium hydroxide (same chemical in drain cleaner) and No-Lye relaxers are made with either calcium, potassium or guanidine hydroxide. Lye relaxers have the highest pH levels, around 12-14, while the No Lye product has pH levels between 10 and 12. The pH of drain cleaner is 12+. Currently we are conducting a hair study and so far the conclusion is: all relaxers cause breaking and thinning hair if they are repeatedly pushed on to the scalp. Lye or No Lye makes no difference!

 

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Q: What is the difference between lye and no-lye relaxers?

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The difference is in the type of chemicals used. In lye relaxers, the active ingredient is sodium hydroxide. In no-lye relaxers, the active ingredient is calcium hydroxide. No-lye relaxer is usually a little milder and good for sensitive scalps, but the calcium can cause hair to be slightly drier. Most relaxer kits made for home use are no-lye formulas.

***I can see why breakage can occur with either or.  So I thick the key is what brand relaxer & what steps you take after the relaxer. ***

 

 

 

 

 



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bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2006 at 10:28am

I use lye relaxers and some companies do make it in the box like hawaiian silky and revlon

I personally use creame of nature i just go to my bss and look on the box they make a no lye formula and a lye formula. I use the lye.

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bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2006 at 11:46am

This was recently posted on another hair forum that I belong to taken from an article in Essence magazine (I've cut/pasted only the part that's relevant to this thread):

ESSENCE: If you've been using no-lye relaxers for years, is it okay to switch to a lye relaxer?

L'Oreal Institute: Yes, you can switch between lye and no-lye relaxers. You cannot switch, however, to thiol-based curl products like the Wave Nouveau or the Jheri Curl.

If you want to read the whole posting including a link to the site, go here: http://blackhairtalk.proboards30.com/index.cgi?board=general &action=display&thread=1140716665

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bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2006 at 4:31pm
I prefer lye relaxers because with the lye relaxers, I don't have to touch up as often and it process my hair way better.  No-lye relaxers tend to leave my hair dry and frizzy looking.  I swear my natural hair looked better than my hair with a no-lye relaxer.  BTW I love my hair no matter what state it is in.
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bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2006 at 5:20pm
After being natural since 1996, I went back to relaxing my hair with a no-lye relaxer. I noticed my hair was drier and frizzy looking, like Champange mentioned. I switched to lye relaxers in 2005. My hair isn't dry and frizzy, plus, my hair has lots of moisture from its use.

In that same year, I use Elasta QP Mild lye for my hair type: Fine and color treated. I also had to buy the neutralizing shampoo and conditioner separate, but it's worth it. I'll stick to my QP Mild lye relaxer. It has done a tremendous job my hair. I'll post my relaxer pics soon.
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bullet Posted: 25 Feb 2006 at 11:35pm

I also use Elasta QP lye relaxer. I love it.

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bullet Posted: 01 Mar 2006 at 4:11pm

When I was younger, I got no lye relaxers and they made my hair dry and brittle and it didn't look too nice.

When I started going to the salon, my stylist used Hawaiian Silky lye relaxer and it made my hair look sooo much better. I was amazed with the results!

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bullet Posted: 02 Mar 2006 at 7:48am

I think it depends on the relaxer.  Some rel hair relaxers will eat through my hair without straightening it while others don't straighten enough.  I think it depends on what works on your hair.  For me, personally, I had to judge each relaxer I used on its own merit, regardless of whether it was lye or not.  I find that most "boxed" relaxers are terrible for me.

In order for you to get an idea of what I mean, I've included some personal reviews of relaxers I have used in the past.

Motions Lye- this relaxer was terrible.  I left it on to process for 45 minutes and it did nothing for it.

Revlon Realistic Lye-this relaxer was also terrible.  It had the OPPOSITE effect.  It ate through my hair within 5 minutes.

Revlon No Lye- wasn't so good, either.  Left my hair brittle and damaged.

African Royale No Lye- this was discontinued.  Straightened okay, but results were not long lasting.

TCB no lye- did nothing for my hair.  Acted more like a conditioner than a relaxer.

Creme of Nature- straightened well, but not long-lasting.  When they changed the formula (from lithium hydroxide to calcium hydroxide) it's performance wasn't as good.

Dark and Lovely- didn't like this stuff at all, even when they changed their formula.  Results didn't last and broke my hair off.

Bantu- I'm still psychologically traumatized from the burn marks I got from using this stuff.

Just for Me Kids Relaxer- Very good product.  Left my hair straight for about 3 months before I needed a retouch.  Highly recommended for people on a budget.

Phytospecific, no lye but does not contain any of the "lye cousins" (calcium hydroxide, lithium hydroxide or potassium hydroxide)- I'm saving the best for last here!  Yes, it is expensive, however, because the results are long lasting, I don't have to relax my hair but twice a year--once a year, really.  I had my hair relaxed in December 2005 and about two days ago, I got my hair washed and set and it still looked like freshly relaxed hair.  Even the roots were manageable.  My hair contains more movement than it ever had in the past and it's never frizzy--even in the summer time.

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